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How does memory not delete?
« on: July 05, 2012, 11:14:47 pm »
Okay so what I was wondering is how the memory doesn't delete when you turn off your iPod/iPhone or anything on the ROM I've seen in like old game boys that they have a battery that keeps a constant electrify going to it is that the case?
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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 11:16:07 pm »
What memory are you talking about? RAM or the hard drive?

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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 11:24:59 pm »
Hard drive
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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 09:33:31 am »
The way I understand it, they are magnetic switches. When they get switched they stay like that, so no need for any sort of electrical power.

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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2012, 10:32:02 am »
Is it MRAM?

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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2012, 11:04:23 am »
iDevices use flash memory, like whats in flash drives. Since flash drives can obviously be unpowered and retain their memory, so can iDevices.

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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2012, 03:22:53 pm »
All memory chips store memory as 1's and 0's. One component used in electronic devices is a capacitor. Which is basically a temporary battery. It can be used to smooth out a signal such as AC/DC current or a frequency signal. This temporary battery can also be used to supply a minuscule amout of power to keep a microchips memory intact. So even if a battery is remove from a device, such as a portable radio with digital tuning, it will still retain the memory of the stations that were set by the owner. A microchip uses a very small minute amount of voltage to retain its memory because the settings are already in place. The voltage just has to hold them in that state. Where as creating memory in a new state requires much more power. However once set it is easily kept there. Think of it this way. If you have ever tried to push a car, you know the hardest part is to get it moving. Once it's moving though, very little energy/effort is required to keep it moving. It's the same with the memory chip. The capacitor is used to keep the memory in place. The battery power put it there.

Sorry to be so long winded but that's the best way I knew to describe it.
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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2012, 05:47:28 pm »
Ok good explanation didn't think about a capacitor.
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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2012, 08:12:28 pm »
Nice metaphor and interesting point, I never thought about this before
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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2012, 04:50:33 pm »
Flash Discs in your iPhone are different from the DRAM in your computer bc it is non-volatile. this means it does not require power to retain its memory. It does this through something similar to writable EEPROMs. There are transistors, which are switches that retain their position without power
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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2012, 01:46:37 am »
Could anyone remind me what memory literally uses a UV flash to burn an image of data to memory (until flashed later)? I believe it was used in ram (or cmos). idk, trying to remember.
PS: the UV flash happens internally in the chip - no disco lights lol

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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2012, 11:40:15 am »
Could anyone remind me what memory literally uses a UV flash to burn an image of data to memory (until flashed later)? I believe it was used in ram (or cmos). idk, trying to remember.
PS: the UV flash happens internally in the chip - no disco lights lol
I believe those were the old EPROM days, but that was only used for erasing I believe

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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2012, 12:21:53 pm »
^ That. Pretty old school compared to now.
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Re: How does memory not delete?
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2012, 09:52:32 pm »
This should probably be moved to Computer Hardware as this board is not for questions

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